diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 1c574914..edd3ae5f 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ celerybeat.pid
 
 # Environments
 .env
-.venv
+.venv*
 env/
 venv/
 ENV/
diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
index d02c8c33..c61affea 100644
--- a/Makefile
+++ b/Makefile
@@ -16,6 +16,10 @@
 	#  Regen requirements;
 	#    pip freeze > docs/requirements.txt
 
+.venv.ttkDesigner:
+	python3 -m venv .venv.ttkDesigner
+	. .venv.ttkDesigner/bin/activate ; \
+	pip install pyperclip Pillow
 
 doc: .venv
 	# old doc gen, using pdoc3 ; \
@@ -33,6 +37,10 @@ doc: .venv
 testDoc:
 	python3 -m http.server --directory docs/build/html/
 
+runTtkDesigner: .venv.ttkDesigner
+	. .venv.ttkDesigner/bin/activate ; \
+	python -m ttkDesigner
+
 runGittk: .venv
 	. .venv/bin/activate ; \
 	demo/gittk.py -f